What do you mean by Cisco's 1990s way of doing things?
Cisco's using legacy technology from the 1990s and trying to adopt it to 2017 challenges. That was the [Cisco] iWAN solution, and they gave a good try. It was confusing how they did that with the Cisco Prime originally, then they have Gluware [through a technology partnership with Glue Networks], then APIC-EM (Application Policy Infrastructure Controller-Enterprise Module). So there's a little bit of trashing there strategically to their customers.